Hi there,
Is there any way (or possible feature) to change the overblow behavior? For bagpipes, it feels weird to jump from G67 to G79, it might feel natural to jump to Gb68, A69 instead or something else.
At least from the Redpipes, when G4 is played, the overblow goes to something between G#4 or A4 dynamically depending of the strength used for overblowing.
Kind regards.
Overblow behavior
Re: Overblow behavior
Yes, the overblowing was designed more to mimic instruments that overblow one octave, and there's not a way to change the number of notes that overblowing controls, but that's something I might be able to consider adding.
What you're describing also sounds similar to the "pitch expression" feature, though. That's in the "pressure mapping" panel. The difference is that it gradually shifts the pitch sharper or flatter depending on blowing pressure, rather than jumping to a specific note. It was added because it was requested by bagpipers who wanted a bit more realism. Not sure if that's what you have in mind?
By default the "pitch expression" will both flatten and sharpen a note based on pressure, but if you turn off overblowing then you can turn on the "override pitch expression range" switch and then use the slider to give you some more control over the effect.
What you're describing also sounds similar to the "pitch expression" feature, though. That's in the "pressure mapping" panel. The difference is that it gradually shifts the pitch sharper or flatter depending on blowing pressure, rather than jumping to a specific note. It was added because it was requested by bagpipers who wanted a bit more realism. Not sure if that's what you have in mind?
By default the "pitch expression" will both flatten and sharpen a note based on pressure, but if you turn off overblowing then you can turn on the "override pitch expression range" switch and then use the slider to give you some more control over the effect.
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Re: Overblow behavior
Hi,
I understand what you said and that makes sense to me, however, I don't understand much the configuration as a simple slider.
I think you meant on this screen, but could you explain me how it works? I tried different settings and got different unwanted results.
Let's say I have drones to start at 5, chanter to start at 8. How should I configure that bar to get something close to G#4 (or A4)?
I understand what you said and that makes sense to me, however, I don't understand much the configuration as a simple slider.
I think you meant on this screen, but could you explain me how it works? I tried different settings and got different unwanted results.
Let's say I have drones to start at 5, chanter to start at 8. How should I configure that bar to get something close to G#4 (or A4)?
Re: Overblow behavior
Sorry, I’m away from home this week so I’m not able to test this, but I’ll take a look on Monday.
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Re: Overblow behavior
I just played around with this a bit-- it looks like the range of this feature is currently limited to around one quarter tone, but I'm going to do some work on it soon, so I may be able to extend it to a semitone.
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Re: Overblow behavior
Thank you Andrew!
That is correct, I feel like the range is bit too low in comparison to real instrument. It would be great if the maximum could achieve the next note, or close to it.
That is correct, I feel like the range is bit too low in comparison to real instrument. It would be great if the maximum could achieve the next note, or close to it.
Re: Overblow behavior
The "pitch expression" has been completely rewritten in v.4.3 and should do what you're describing. There are a lot of controls so there's a bit of a learning curve, but basically, there are two sets of two sliders: The top two sliders let you select a low pressure zone and a high pressure zone, If you leave a space between the two inner handles, you can designate a third, "stable" zone where no pitchbend occurs.
The lower two sliders let you map the two input pressure zones to pitchbend.
I set up the example below to allow overblowing of exactly one semitone, by setting the pitchbend range for the "high zone" to 50 cents. I also overlapped the handles on both the low zone and the high zone of the input pressure so that the "overblowing" occurs at a specific pressure (actually, the low zone isn't being used because I set the pitchbend for that zone to 0, so it doesn't matter how you set the pressure for the low zone). If you wanted to gradually ramp up to one semitone of overblowing, you would separate the handles of the input pressure zone to give a range rather than a specific pressure.
The lower two sliders let you map the two input pressure zones to pitchbend.
I set up the example below to allow overblowing of exactly one semitone, by setting the pitchbend range for the "high zone" to 50 cents. I also overlapped the handles on both the low zone and the high zone of the input pressure so that the "overblowing" occurs at a specific pressure (actually, the low zone isn't being used because I set the pitchbend for that zone to 0, so it doesn't matter how you set the pressure for the low zone). If you wanted to gradually ramp up to one semitone of overblowing, you would separate the handles of the input pressure zone to give a range rather than a specific pressure.
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Re: Overblow behavior
Nice! Will test tonight! Thank you very much!
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Re: Overblow behavior
I would need to have a play session, but looks good so far! Also there are many options for fine-tuning! For example I don't need the clamp upper bend, but seems like a nice feature for other instruments!