gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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Hi,
is there a way to incorporate a gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern?

Like this: https://html.scribdassets.com/9iahffwmr ... a74b28.jpg

Can I do it on my end? or is it required to be programmed in the configuration tool?

Thanks in advance
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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Hi, as you've probably seen there is currently the Galician gaita fingering but not Asturian. I'm not familiar with the differences, but it would probably be possible to add the Asturian version. I could make you a custom version of the firmware to test and then add it officially to a later "release" version. The current Gaits fingering is shown here in the fingering charts-- it was developed to allow three octaves and therefore differs from the real pipes a little:

https://warbl.xyz/WARBL%20Fingering%20Charts.pdf
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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Thanks for the reply.
That would be sweet. I would be more than happy to be the test subject!
In natural Asturian pipes you would be able to play 1.5 octaves, the 0.5 highest octave is achieved by increasing the pressure in the bag.

I was taking a peek at the code and I think I came to basically adding to the 'fingering_charts.ino'

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//Gaita
struct gaitaAsturiana_explicit_entry {
    uint8_t midi_note;
};


const struct gaitaAsturiana_explicit_entry gaitaAsturiana_explicit[256]PROGMEM  = {  //general fingering pattern for each MIDI note. In this case, the index (position from right) of the leftmost uncovered hole is used to determine the MIDI note. This way all other holes below that one are ignored.

// My 'hard' cases:

{...
{75}, //01111110 C
..
{74}, //01001110 B
..
{73}, //10001110 A#
..
{72}, //11001110 A
..
{70}, //11101110 G
..
{68}, //11110110 F
..
{67}, //11111010 E
..
{65}, //11111100 D
..
{63}, //11111110 C
{62}, //11111111 B
}
2 questions about this?

1. some of the #notes such as C# and D# are done by getting the whole semi-closed. I've seen you do it pretty closely in the tin whistle video.
2. can you do vibrato in the current settings of the gaita?

I saw the tin whistle had components in the explicit structure:

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struct tinwhistle_explicit_entry {
    uint8_t midi_note;
    uint8_t vibrato; //send pitch bend down
};
Ideally, it would be great to get staccato and vibrato (most notes is by using the right pinky , #4 right hand) But some notes have their own.

Thanks again!
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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Playing accidentals by partially covering a hole is technically possible if you turn on the "slide" feature, though it can be a bit touchy and takes some practice. The slide works well for sliding up/down to notes, particularly in slower tunes, but is a bit more difficult to use for accurately hitting an accidental. Most of the fingering charts have some "cross-fingering" patterns for some accidentals, so if there any of those that would make sense to add for C# and D# in this case, we could do that as well.

The tin whistle chart has some vibrato holes coded into it because there is a "custom" vibrato option for tin whistle, but for most fingering patterns (including the current gaita) the only vibrato option is the "standard" vibrato, which lets you select which holes you want to be available for vibrato and should work fine for Asturian gaita, so there's no need to have any information about vibrato in the fingering chart.

I'm not sure exactly when I'll be able to work on this because I'm taking the rest of the week off for Thanksgiving, but I might find some time next week.

If you wanted to play with it in the meantime and you're comfortable with changing and compiling the code, the easiest thing might be to make some changes to the existing gaita chart. Again, I'm not sure how similar they are, so it might be more effort than it's worth. It sounds like your requirements for Asturian gaita are simpler, so it shouldn't be too hard for me to add a whole new entry for it.
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Hi Andrew,
sorry, what do you mean by 'accidentals'?

No rush, whenever is fine

Thanks!
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By "accidentals" I just mean any notes that aren't in the normal scale, so the C# and D# that you mentioned. On some instruments you can use alternate fingering patterns to play those notes, rather than/in addition to "half-holing" them.
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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I'm starting to take a closer look at this today.

You mentioned that the highest half octave uses increased bag pressure-- what fingerings are used for those highest notes (are they duplicates of the upper half of the first octave)?

Also, how does staccato playing work? Is it like Northumbrian pipes where the end of the chanter is closed and closing all holes cuts the sounds off? If that's the case I can program that in.
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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Hi Andrew,
sorry for the delay.

Fingering is here:
https://imgv2-2-f.scribdassets.com/img/ ... 852166?v=1

The higher octave is almost identical to the lower octave.
The only difference: the higher F kind of changes but would be nice to have both options.

For the staccato: the end of the chanter is open, so in most cases, we use a similar thing to the stacatto (which is called 'picado'), which consists on playing a low C as cut to the note (since the air supply doesn't get cut).
As an alternative, some pipers maneuver their bags in order to cut the air supply (a very hard technique)
If you really what to dive deep into the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nb8IdgDeRM

Thanks!
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Re: gaita 'Asturiana' fingering pattern

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I ended up replacing the

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 gaita_explicit_entry 
for the one listed below. Seems to work fine at least in the first octave. Playing a little I realize the right-hand pinky is too far away for this configuration. This means that I may make a PCB version with the last sensor closer. But this is a project for the future. I want to thank you for making the software/hardware open.

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const struct gaita_explicit_entry gaita_explicit[256]PROGMEM  = {  //general fingering pattern for each MIDI note. In this case, the index (position from right) of the leftmost uncovered hole is used to determine the MIDI note. This way all other holes below that one are ignored.
    {75}, //00000000 C
    {75}, //00000001
    {75}, //00000010 C
    {75}, //00000011
    {75}, //00000100
    {75}, //00000101
    {75}, //00000110
    {75}, //00000111
    {75}, //00001000
    {75}, //00001001 C
    {75}, //00001010
    {75}, //00001011
    {75}, //00001100
    {75}, //00001101
    {75}, //00001110
    {74}, //00001111 B
    {75}, //00010000
    {75}, //00010001
    {75}, //00010010
    {75}, //00010011
    {75}, //00010100
    {75}, //00010101
    {75}, //00010110
    {75}, //00010111
    {75}, //00011000
    {75}, //00011001
    {75}, //00011010
    {75}, //00011011
    {75}, //00011100
    {75}, //00011101
    {75}, //00011110
    {75}, //00011111
    {75}, //00100000
    {75}, //00100001
    {75}, //00100010
    {75}, //00100011
    {75}, //00100100
    {75}, //00100101
    {75}, //00100110
    {75}, //00100111
    {75}, //00101000
    {75}, //00101001
    {75}, //00101010
    {73}, //00101011 A#
    {73}, //00101100
    {73}, //00101101
    {73}, //00101110
    {73}, //00101111
    {80}, //00110000 F
    {74}, //00110001 B
    {74}, //00110010
    {74}, //00110011
    {74}, //00110100
    {74}, //00110101
    {74}, //00110110
    {74}, //00110111
    {79}, //00111000 E
    {74}, //00111001
    {78}, //00111010 D#
    {74}, //00111011
    {77}, //00111100 D
    {74}, //00111101
    {75}, //00111110
    {74}, //00111111 B
    {84}, //01000000 A
    {84}, //01000001 A
    {84}, //01000010 A
    {73}, //01000011 A#
    {73}, //01000100
    {73}, //01000101
    {84}, //01000110 A
    {84}, //01000111
    {84}, //01001000
    {74}, //01001001 B
    {74}, //01001010
    {74}, //01001011
    {74}, //01001100 B
    {74}, //01001101 
    {74}, //01001110 
    {74}, //01001111 B
    {83}, //01010000 G#
    {83}, //01010001
    {83}, //01010010
    {83}, //01010011
    {83}, //01010100 G#
    {83}, //01010101
    {83}, //01010110
    {75}, //01010111 C
    {75}, //01011000
    {75}, //01011001
    {75}, //01011010
    {75}, //01011011
    {75}, //01011100
    {75}, //01011101
    {83}, //01011110 G#
    {75}, //01011111
    {82}, //01100000 G
    {82}, //01100001 G
    {82}, //01100010 G
    {82}, //01100011 G
    {82}, //01100100
    {82}, //01100101
    {82}, //01100110
    {82}, //01100111
    {82}, //01101000
    {82}, //01101001 G
    {82}, //01101010
    {82}, //01101011
    {81}, //01101100 F#
    {81}, //01101101
    {81}, //01101110
    {82}, //01101111 G
    {80}, //01110000 F
    {80}, //01110001 F
    {80}, //01110010 F
    {80}, //01110011
    {80}, //01110100
    {80}, //01110101
    {80}, //01110110 F
    {80}, //01110111 F
    {79}, //01111000 E
    {79}, //01111001 E
    {79}, //01111010 E
    {79}, //01111011 E
    {77}, //01111100 D
    {76}, //01111101 C#
    {75}, //01111110 C
    {75}, //01111111 C
    {73}, //10000000 A#/Bb
    {73}, //10000001
    {73}, //10000010
    {73}, //10000011 
    {73}, //10000100
    {73}, //10000101
    {73}, //10000110 
    {73}, //10000111
    {73}, //10001000
    {73}, //10001001 
    {73}, //10001010 
    {73}, //10001011
    {73}, //10001100
    {73}, //10001101
    {73}, //10001110 
    {73}, //10001111 A#
    {73}, //10010000
    {73}, //10010001
    {73}, //10010010
    {73}, //10010011
    {73}, //10010100
    {73}, //10010101
    {73}, //10010110
    {73}, //10010111
    {73}, //10011000
    {73}, //10011001
    {73}, //10011010
    {73}, //10011011
    {73}, //10011100
    {73}, //10011101
    {73}, //10011110
    {73}, //10011111
    {73}, //10100000 A#
    {73}, //10100001 A#
    {73}, //10100010 A#
    {73}, //10100011 A#
    {73}, //10100100 A#
    {73}, //10100101 A#
    {73}, //10100110 A#
    {73}, //10100111 A#
    {73}, //10101000 A#
    {73}, //10101001 A#
    {73}, //10101010 A#
    {73}, //10101011
    {73}, //10101100 A#
    {73}, //10101101 A#
    {73}, //10101110 A#
    {73}, //10101111 A#
    {73}, //10110000 
    {73}, //10110001 
    {73}, //10110010 
    {73}, //10110011 
    {73}, //10110100
    {73}, //10110101 
    {73}, //10110110 
    {73}, //10110111 A#
    {73}, //10111000
    {73}, //10111001 A#
    {73}, //10111010 A#
    {73}, //10111011 A#
    {73}, //10111100 A#
    {73}, //10111101
    {73}, //10111110 A#
    {73}, //10111111 A#
    {72}, //11000000 A
    {72}, //11000001 A
    {72}, //11000010 A
    {72}, //11000011 A
    {72}, //11000100
    {72}, //11000101
    {72}, //11000110 A
    {72}, //11000111
    {72}, //11001000
    {72}, //11001001 A
    {72}, //11001010 A
    {72}, //11001011
    {72}, //11001100
    {72}, //11001101
    {72}, //11001110 A
    {72}, //11001111 A
    {71}, //11010000 G#
    {74}, //11010001 B
    {71}, //11010010 G#
    {71}, //11010011 G#
    {71}, //11010100
    {71}, //11010101
    {71}, //11010110 G#
    {71}, //11010111
    {71}, //11011000
    {71}, //11011001 G#
    {71}, //11011010 G#
    {71}, //11011011
    {71}, //11011100
    {71}, //11011101
    {71}, //11011110 G#
    {71}, //11011111 G#
    {70}, //11100000 G
    {70}, //11100001 G
    {70}, //11100010 G
    {70}, //11100011
    {70}, //11100100
    {70}, //11100101 G
    {70}, //11100110 G
    {70}, //11100111 G
    {69}, //11101000 F#
    {70}, //11101001 G
    {70}, //11101010 G
    {70}, //11101011
    {69}, //11101100 F#
    {69}, //11101101
    {70}, //11101110 G
    {70}, //11101111
    {68}, //11110000 F
    {68}, //11110001 F
    {68}, //11110010 F
    {68}, //11110011 F
    {68}, //11110100
    {68}, //11110101 F
    {68}, //11110110 F
    {68}, //11110111 F
    {67}, //11111000 E
    {67}, //11111001 E
    {67}, //11111010 E
    {67}, //11111011 E
    {65}, //11111100 D
    {65}, //11111101 D
    {63}, //11111110 C
    {62}, //11111111 B
};
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